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John Hattie on Visible Learning and Feedback

Episode Summary

John Hattie is one of the most acclaimed educational researchers on the planet! The author of 13 books, 300+ conference papers, and all around educational giant stops by this episode of Vrain Waves. We discuss why the type of feedback a teacher gives is more important than the quantity, what is visible learning, and why the mantra of every teacher should be "Know Thy Impact."

Episode Notes

Episode 018: John Hattie, Visible Learning

We are so excited to share with you the conversation we were lucky enough to have with Dr. John Hattie - educational researcher, professor, Director of the Melbourne Educational Research Institute, and overall brilliant person. Please enjoy, and send your questions, comments, discussions to us @VrainWaves to keep this conversation going!

Connect with Dr. John Hattie
Twitter: @john_hattie, @VisibleLearning | Website: https://visible-learning.org/

Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb

Links & Show Notes

• Out of our heads and into the classroom (01:18)
• Graphic Jam / dual coding (02:15)
• Everyone Can Create, Apple (03:45)
• Show me your values (04:17)
• Intro to John Hattie (07:11) | Hattie’s Meta-Analyses
• Start of interview (07:49)
• Hardware / software / inside - How we think (08:52)
• What is visible learning & what problem does visible learning answer? (10:38)
• 95-97% of what we do increases achievement to some degree
• Above average effect = >0.4 effect size / List of influences
• Know thy impact (13:59)
• Professional development (15:25)
• Moving from ‘how we teach’ to ‘how we interpret our impact’
• Hattie’s visible learning team workflow: (17:30)
• Teachers are to “D.I.E.” for
• Diagnosis = Needs Analysis (16 to 20 factors) - ask staff, teachers, students
• Intervention & Implementation
• Make sure the intervention addresses the diagnosis
• Implement effectively
• Evaluation
• Use a portfolio of evidence to change how we think
• Evaluation vs. Research (20:03)
• Evaluative mindset for educators
• Graham Nuthall’s research | book: Hidden Lives of Learners |
• Feedback discussion (23:28)
• Feedback given v. feedback received
• What type of feedback is received? (25:30)
• Importance of where to go next
• Amount of feedback the teacher receives about where to go next (26:40)
• June 2018 EdWeek article w / Dr. Hattie on Feedback (2018)
• 2011 article on feedback
• Directions for Assessment in New Zealand | NZ Assessment for Learning
• Visible Learning Feedback book, 2018
• Assessment-Capable Learners (28:33)
• Book: Developing Assessment-Capable Visible Learners
• Teaching students to be interpretive about their test scores
• Book: 10 Mindframes for Visible Learning
• Assessment as helping the teacher
• Nuthall: students know 40-60% of what is being taught
• ASCD Article - Fisher, Frey, Hattie: Assessment-Capable Learners
• Class Size Discussion (34:24)
• 0.2 effect size
• Same instruction in smaller v. larger classes (35:45)
• Hattie’s 2015 Reports: What Doesn’t Work in Education: The Politics of Distraction | What Works Best in Education: The Politics of Collaborative Expertise
• Gene Glass research
• Andreas Schleicher: TED Talk - Use Data to Build Better Schools
• Classroom relationships (39:32)
• Henry Levin (40:52) - The Economics of Student Time | Mapping the Economics of Education
• How do we make schools more inviting for students (40:03)
• Science of Learning Center in Melbourne (42:23)
• Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (43:20)
• Strengths-based Education (45:56)